Message Number: 0001
Date: 05/17/1997; 02:29 PM
From: Phil Rae, email@example.com
The original Fudge never appeared on U.K. TV, and I'd never even seen a picture of them playing live until I ran into this site. It was always a matter of intrigue to me as to what guitars were being used here - although Vinnie clearly wasn't using a Fender. I now see that Vinnie used a cherry Gibson 335 on the first LP, and the pic. of him playing in 1969 (shown in the interview) shows a sunburst 335. Is this the same guitar re-finished, or is this a second one?
Also, he seems to be using a Gibson SG on the sleeve of "Near the Beginning" Any others?
I often wondered whether the first intro solo to the full version of "You keep me Hanging On" was played on one of those Coral/Danelectro Electric Sitars, as they give exactly that sound (I have one myself). And these came on the market about the same time as the first LP, as I recall. It just sounds a little weird for a straight guitar...
Also, "Tim Bogert on the Fender Bass..." It seems to be a Frankenstein's monster of a thing with a Precision body and a Telecaster neck. Why did he do this? Is this the same bass as he used in B.B.A.? This one seemed to have been customised in the same way, but also seems to have grown an extra Jazz bass pickup...
As the Fudge name was used extensively on Marshall amp adverts, I assume that they used these. Correct?
*It was always a matter of intrigue to me as to what guitars were being used here - although Vinnie clearly wasn't using a Fender. I now see that Vinnie used a cherry Gibson 335 on the first LP, and the pic. of him playing in 1969 (shown in the interview) shows a sunburst 335. Is this the same guitar re-finished, or is this a second one?*
I have seen Vince play live with the cherry 335 and the SG. I was not aware of the sunburst 335. I don't want to jinx it, but I'm told I can expect a phone call from Vince this Tuesday. I will ask him if he owned one. Speaking of Fenders. I read a blurb once on a Stevie Ray Vaughn web site that he had a Fender Strat named "Yellow" that he'd picked up from the "lead guitarist of Vanilla Fudge"! I'll check with Vince on that one too.
**I often wondered whether the first intro solo to the full version of "You keep me Hanging On" was played on one of those Coral/Danelectro Electric Sitars as they give exactly that sound (I have one myself).**
That just shows you Vince's talent. Every time I saw him play YKMHO, it was on guitar, the first time being on the cherry 335 with his single stack Marshall (50 watt, 6x10, I think).
**Also, "Tim Bogert on the Fender Bass..." It seems to be a Frankenstein's monster of a thing with a Precision body and a Telecaster neck. Why did he do this?**
While I can't swear that his bass was not customized, I believe he simply has a vintage Precision bass. I believe in the late 50's, the Pbass had a neck that resembled a Telecaster guitar. I have seen Pbasses with that style neck. Of course, Tim may have an arsenal of vintage basses, but it looks like the same one to me on his 1987 video. Judging by the wear on the fretboard, I dare say it's probably his original. Maybe he will join us soon and tell us for sure! As for why? As a bass player myself(and a Fender lover, I might add) the Pbass and Jbass are very different. They have diferent sounds, and the necks are different. The Pbass neck is wide and flat; the Jbass is narrow and round. It just so happens, I prefer the Jbass as is, but it's certainly understandable that one might prefer the feel of the Jbass neck and the sound of the Pbass, or vice versa. I've seen this many times. Also, while the vintage Fender may be a collector's item, they were not always that durable. Many necks had to be replaced from sheer wear and tear, or age deterioration.
**As the Fudge name was used extensively on Marshall amp adverts, I assume that they used these. Correct?**
Not always. I do remember
Vince being a Marshall loyalist, and I remember Tim having a pair(or
two, or three
Carmine, in 1967, had a mismatched red sparkle single bass drum kit. I once was able to see it up close and if my memory serves me correctly, there was a Ludwig 5x14 chrome snare, a Leedy(long defunct) large(14x24,x26?) bass drum and the two tom-toms I don't remember. This was the first time I'd ever heard of Vanilla Fudge. Me being the big local rock star bass player(at 15 remember) saw the drums on stage before they came out and thought, "Hmmm, red sparkle? How uncool. Mismatched drum set? Jeez, can't even afford a "real" kit. How good can they be? Tch, Tch." If that weren't so ludicrous, I'd never admit I ever said that! (See my Vanilla Fudge story). Later of course, he had the huge Ludwig double bass kit. I think I saw him once with a Slingerland kit, and I believe he's with Pearl now.
Mark always had a B3, sans back(I never understood that), Leslie turned around, sans back. Pigeons album sounds like a Hammond spinet(M3?) sans Leslie.
I play Mapex Drums, Sabian Cymbals, Aquarian signature heads, Vic Firth signature sticks, DW pedals, Morley signature wah wah for the snare, and May mic systems...
The red sparkle kit I read about in your equipment list was a 14 X 26 Leedy bass drum, one 13X9 tom on the bass drum, and a 16X16 floor tom, 14" Zildjan Hi Hats, 22" heavy Zildjan, and 18" and 20" inch crashes - also Zildjan...
HI! I AM A FRIEND OF VINCE. I WOULD LOVE TO TALK TO YOU VIA LAND LINE. CASEY HAS MY #
Welcome aboard and God bless! Thank you for the wonderful music over the years! :-) Peace, Bill.
Thanks for the comprehensive info! Great!
I used to have one of thos Dual Showman rigs myself with 2x15 JBL cab, and it weighed a TON. What with a bunch of those amps, and a B3, I bet the Fudge roadies were well pleased when the band split!!
That Precision bass definitely has a changed neck. The Tele-style neck was only fitted to the very first early 50's Precisions, and these basses had a different body style & pickguard design. The mid-50's design Precision (the style we all recognise) had the "normal" peghead design. Even the re-issue Telecaster basses with that retro style of neck have the "correct" matching old-style slab-body/different pickguard arrangement.
Possibly we could find out from the man himself. It wouldn't appear that there would be much of a difference between a Tele bass neck & a Precision - unlike the difference between a Jazz bass & a Precision, which, as you rightly point out, is very noticable.
Maybe he should have been introduced as "Tim Bogert on the Fender BASSES" as he seems to be using a hybrid of Fender bass parts!!
So Vince used a single stack 50w Marshall with the 8x10 cab. I always imagined a HUGE wall of Marshalls. In the mid 60's even support bands in the UK had entire walls of Marshall stacks. It's only recently that I discovered that the 50w Marshalls actually have the better sound! In '67 you were seen as some sort of pauper if you didn't have the full 100w rig!!. Many was the time that I was ridiculed for only having the one cab with the 100w amp, insted of the mandatory two. People saw photos of the BLUE CHEER and their Marshall rigs and thought that it was essential. Virtually everybody was destitute because of amp repayments. It seems pretty funny now, but it was serious stuff then - a bit like the arms race or something..